160hp conversation for o320-e2d (2024)

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160hp conversation for o320-e2d

Eric Pekrul

#19234


Can a certified O320-E2D be legally converted to 160hp without splitting the case and changing the main bearings? The crankshaft flange has been inspected for corrosion/pitting and I have the correct (160hp) pistons, pins and hardened cylinders. Is, has there been a STC to accomplish this? Can it be done with a 337 form? Does anyone have guidance regarding a 337?
Thanks
Eric P

frewjm

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#19235


My understanding is that as the Type Certificate Data Sheet No. E-274 is the
FAA certification document for the 0-320 engine. All engine models listed in
the document lie within 0-320 engine specifications.
In the TC block on each engine data plate "274" appears for all 0-320
engines listed in the E-274 Type Certificate. Revision 21 to E-274 dated
August 10, 2009 lists 59 engine models that fall within this engine
specification, including 0-320-E2A. Therefore a change for an -E2A to a
SAY D1C is within the engine specification as detailed and qualifies as a
repair. The change as detailed for this engine is a minor change or repair,
which is clearly defined and must fall outside of the definition of a major
repair. Therefore no STC is needed as the change is minor.

O-320-E2D 150 hp (112 kW) at 2700 rpm, Minimum fuel grade 80/87
avgas, compression ratio 7.00:1. Similar to E2A but with Slick disposable
magnetos and 0-235 front.[
O-320-E2A: 150 hp (112 kW) at 2700 rpm, or 140 hp (104 kW) at 2450
rpm Minimum fuel grade 80/87 avgas, compression ratio 7.00:1. Same as E1A
but with fixed pitch propeller, 3/8 inch attaching bolts and an
alternate power rating of 140 hp (104 kW)
O-320-E1A: 150 hp (112 kW) at 2700 rpm, Minimum fuel grade 80/87
avgas, compression ratio 7.00:1. Same as A3B but with Type 1 dynafocal
mounts.

Therefore at 160 hp similar to:
IO-320-D1C: 160 hp (119 kW) at 2700 rpm, Minimum fuel grade 91/96 or
100LL avgas, compression ratio 8.50:1. Same as the D1B but with Slick
Magnetos.[3]
Cheers - John

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From: lycoming@groups.io [mailto:lycoming@groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric
Pekrul
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 1:01 PM
To: lycoming@groups.io
Subject: [lycoming] 160hp conversation for o320-e2d

Can a certified O320-E2D be legally converted to 160hp without splitting the
case and changing the main bearings? The crankshaft flange has been
inspected for corrosion/pitting and I have the correct (160hp) pistons, pins
and hardened cylinders. Is, has there been a STC to accomplish this? Can
it be done with a 337 form? Does anyone have guidance regarding a 337?
Thanks
Eric P

Richard Talbot

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#19236


The engine is the data plate, the rest is just parts. If you want to put a 160hp engine on a certified aircraft you normally need a new data plate for the engine and appropriate paperwork to hang it on the airframe.

Why do you think the bearings should be changed? I'd be more interested in whether the crank, rods and case you have were ever used in the 160hp models.

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From: Eric Pekrul <pekruleric@...>

Date: 17/4/21 1:01 pm (GMT+10:00)

To: lycoming@groups.io

Subject: [lycoming] 160hp conversation for o320-e2d

Can a certified O320-E2D be legally converted to 160hp without splitting the case and changing the main bearings? The crankshaft flange has been inspected for corrosion/pitting and I have the correct (160hp) pistons, pins and hardened cylinders. Is, has there been a STC to accomplish this? Can it be done with a 337 form? Does anyone have guidance regarding a 337?
Thanks
Eric P

Eric Pekrul

#19237


John, thank you for the information and education. If I am understanding correctly, replacing the cylinder assembly’s on my O-320-E2D, with assembly’s for example from an IO-320-D1C, is considered a “minor change or repair” and therefore should be allowed, providing the correct alterations are made to the data plate regarding fuel grade, ignition timing and hp rating. So I assume a 337 needs to be filed and approved regarding the changes to the engine and data plate. Is my understanding correct?
Thanks,
Eric

Raymo
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#19238


337 is only required for major repairs.

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On Apr 17, 2021, at 10:27 AM, Eric Pekrul <pekruleric@...> wrote:

John, thank you for the information and education. If I am understanding correctly, replacing the cylinder assembly’s on my O-320-E2D, with assembly’s for example from an IO-320-D1C, is considered a “minor change or repair” and therefore should be allowed, providing the correct alterations are made to the data plate regarding fuel grade, ignition timing and hp rating. So I assume a 337 needs to be filed and approved regarding the changes to the engine and data plate. Is my understanding correct?
Thanks,
Eric

Charles Kuss

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#19239


When Lycoming increased the horsepower, they also changed the front main bearing. The 140 & 150 HP models have a 4 piece front [nose] bearing. The 160 HP models switched to a 2 piece bearing. The 2 piece bearing supports more surface area of the crankshaft.

Charlie K

On Saturday, April 17, 2021, 06:56:11 AM EDT, Richard Talbot <richard@...> wrote:

The engine is the data plate, the rest is just parts. If you want to put a 160hp engine on a certified aircraft you normally need a new data plate for the engine and appropriate paperwork to hang it on the airframe.

Why do you think the bearings should be changed? I'd be more interested in whether the crank, rods and case you have were ever used in the 160hp models.

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From: Eric Pekrul <pekruleric@...>

Date: 17/4/21 1:01 pm (GMT+10:00)

To: lycoming@groups.io

Subject: [lycoming] 160hp conversation for o320-e2d

Can a certified O320-E2D be legally converted to 160hp without splitting the case and changing the main bearings? The crankshaft flange has been inspected for corrosion/pitting and I have the correct (160hp) pistons, pins and hardened cylinders. Is, has there been a STC to accomplish this? Can it be done with a 337 form? Does anyone have guidance regarding a 337?
Thanks
Eric P

Eric Pekrul

#19240


Charlie, Lycoming had 140, 150 and 160hp O320s long before they came out with the E2D and the 4 piece nose bearings for Cessna.
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frewjm

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#19241


The great advantage of this group, we get the accumulated knowledge of pretty much the whole industry.

Cheers

J

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From: lycoming@groups.io [mailto:lycoming@groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Pekrul
Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2021 6:05 AM
To: lycoming@groups.io
Subject: Re: [lycoming] 160hp conversation for o320-e2d

Charlie, Lycoming had 140, 150 and 160hp O320s long before they came out with the E2D and the 4 piece nose bearings for Cessna.
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