What to do for an O-320 to correct shortfalls. (2024)

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rickg5106

Registered User
  • Sep 22, 2017
  • #1

OK Guys,
First off, let's all play nice here. I know there are strong opinions on this issue.
For an O-320-E2D or the like, what would be the right stuff to do at overhaul to correct the, perhaps we could say, shortcomings of the original motor design. I'm talking about cam and head oiling. Ney nozzles and exterior auxiliary oil lines. Match flowing heads. Balancing crankshafts. Things like that and anything not mentioned.
I tried to do a google search but all I came up with was high preformance mods which isn't, necessarily, where I want to go. All those guys want to talk about is big bump sticks and high compression pistons.
I'm new here so pointing me to previous posts would be fine if this horse has already been dispatched.
Thanks for your time, one and all.
Rick

behindpropellers

Registered User

NE Ohio
  • Sep 22, 2017
  • #2

Certified?

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rickg5106

Registered User
  • Sep 22, 2017
  • #3

Good question. Do they have one of those smiley face things doing a head slap?
The answer is no. Experimental.

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stewartb

MEMBER

  • Sep 22, 2017
  • #4

Mill the case and align bore. Grind and balance the crank. Balance the rods. Use cylinders with triple cut valve seats , balanced pistons, and flow matched. Pitch the old cam and buy new. Re-face and plate the cam followers if they check out. Have the hydraulic lifter bodies tested for leak-down. When back on the airplane use a gutted muffler to let it breathe better. The 320 is a great engine. Narrow the spec tolerances and pay attention to details. Make it better.

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aktango58

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18AA
  • Sep 22, 2017
  • #5

stewartb said:

Mill the case and align bore. Grind and balance the crank. Balance the rods. Use cylinders with triple cut valve seats , balanced pistons, and flow matched. Pitch the old cam and buy new. Re-face and plate the cam followers if they check out. Have the hydraulic lifter bodies tested for leak-down. When back on the airplane use a gutted muffler to let it breathe better. The 320 is a great engine. Narrow the spec tolerances and pay attention to details. Make it better.

I really like this thinking! Study two words above for all the work: align and balanceWhat to do for an O-320 to correct shortfalls. (3)

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DENNY

SPONSOR

  • Sep 22, 2017
  • #6

When you say external oil lines are you talking about cooling the exhaust valves? Pepperbox jet in the carb with some work on the venturi. Bendix mags. Vetterman small tube exhaust. I don't think camshaft lubrication is in itself a big issue. More of a nonuse issue. Power can be improved with the cam I would be be leary of a reground cam. It would be nice to find a source of custom ground camshaft with hardening after the grind. Mill case and line bore is the start of a good motor.
DENNY

  • Sep 22, 2017
  • #7

I'm no expert, far from it, but I flew behind a 320-E2A for several hundred hours and had no problems.
Bout the only valve train troubles I've heard of with the 320 (other than rusty cam from not flying it)
is the H2AD engines. Not sure just what was up with them but they have a bad rep.
Guy at my airport has one on a C172, and it's kinda weird--
two-headed magneto, weird casting on the top of the crankcase, small oil sump, and some other odd feature I can't recall right now.
But it seems to run OK for him, and the previous owner (also on my airport) had it for years with few problems.

skywagon8a

MEMBER

SE Mass MA6
  • Sep 23, 2017
  • #8

stewartb said:

Mill the case and align bore. Grind and balance the crank. Balance the rods. Use cylinders with triple cut valve seats , balanced pistons, and flow matched. Pitch the old cam and buy new. Re-face and plate the cam followers if they check out. Have the hydraulic lifter bodies tested for leak-down..

Sounds as though you don't have this engine yet. If it has an early "light" case, the case halves can frett (Fretting refers to wear and sometimes corrosion damage at the asperities of contact surfaces. This damage is induced under load and in the presence of repeated relative surface motion, as induced for example by vibration.) which will require Milling the case and align bore. This effects the lengths of the push rods and fit of the timing gears. Unless the cam followers are low time throw them out and get new. The mushroom can break off ruining your day. I know of two instances of this happening on O-540s. It makes for sudden silence if it's the intake. Both planes fortunately made it to an airport. I believe that they are the same parts on the O-320.

Steve Pierce

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Graham, TX
  • Sep 23, 2017
  • #9

stewartb said:

Mill the case and align bore. Grind and balance the crank. Balance the rods. Use cylinders with triple cut valve seats , balanced pistons, and flow matched. Pitch the old cam and buy new. Re-face and plate the cam followers if they check out. Have the hydraulic lifter bodies tested for leak-down. When back on the airplane use a gutted muffler to let it breathe better. The 320 is a great engine. Narrow the spec tolerances and pay attention to details. Make it better.

I prefer a standard crank over a grind. I measure them prior to sending out for overhaul and won't let them grind if within spec. More overhauls left in it and less cost.

I asked some major engine shops about replacing the cam and they say there are as many new cam failures as old.

Cubs use A and B series O-320s. Conical mounts with the carb in the cent of the sump.

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dgapilot

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  • Sep 23, 2017
  • #10

Not sure what shortfalls you may be talking about, ran one over 9000 hours in a glider tow SuperCub. Only reason we pulled it was that it spun a bearing. I don't even remember pulling a cylinder in the 10 years ~ 3000 hours I flew it. The only real problem we had was exhaust gaskets, changing them was almost a preflight item.

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rickg5106

Registered User
  • Sep 23, 2017
  • #11

Denny
The reason for the external oil lines question was an article I read awhile ago about right side oiling issues caused by inadequate oil flow due to hydraulic lifters. Some say it's a non issue, Lycoming retrofitted that 540 for this issue and, supposedly, solved it.

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GeeBee

Registered User

Lake Lanier, GA
  • Sep 23, 2017
  • #12

With the exception of the "H" models, the cause of cam failures is not lack of lubrication while the engine is running and there is nothing you can do to change the design to fix the cam from corroding for lack of running other than dosing the oil or pickling the engine.

In addition to line and bore, I would recommend pinning the main bosses. I always put in new cam and new lifters, triple grind the valves, polish, flow match the intakes and exhaust and triple grind the valves.

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charlesf

MEMBER

anchorage, alaska
  • Sep 23, 2017
  • #13

Some good ideas! Triple grind the valves? Never heard of this. Common practice now? I demand a double grind on the valves to get a seal, but triple grind? On balancing, I have done this since my motorcycle days-all moving parts. Line bore the case-is this common? Also, a gutted muffler makes a difference. Good discussion!

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DENNY

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  • Sep 23, 2017
  • #14

Exhaust valve guide ware is a major problem, even with hardened stems. I don't know if adding oil lines to cool the guides would help if you had a cool running engine to start with but is something I would consider trying. You could do a wobble test every 100 hours to see if it helped.
DENNY

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rickg5106

Registered User
  • Sep 24, 2017
  • #15

DENNY said:

Exhaust valve guide ware is a major problem, even with hardened stems. I don't know if adding oil lines to cool the guides would help if you had a cool running engine to start with but is something I would consider trying. You could do a wobble test every 100 hours to see if it helped.
DENNY

This site wont let me post the link But if you go to
precisionengine dot home dot mindspring dot com slash engine3 dot htm you'll get there or do a search for "the rest of the story Lycoming" and look for the mindspring url.

THIS WILL BE AN EYEOPENER.

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rickg5106

Registered User
  • Sep 24, 2017
  • #17

Don't know why it wouldnt let me do it.
I agree about the writing but a lot of info had to be clear before you understand the problem.

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stewartb

MEMBER

  • Sep 24, 2017
  • #18

Not a member of the site? There's an easy fix for that.

The single best change I ever saw to reducing CHTs on a well maintained Cub was switching from a conventional muffler to a gutted muffler. I'd expect the E valve temps received the biggest change associated with that. Maybe they should explore why some airframes have more issues than others when they share the same oil distribution?

Steve Pierce

BENEFACTOR

Graham, TX
  • Sep 24, 2017
  • #19

rickg5106 said:

This site wont let me post the link But if you go to
precisionengine dot home dot mindspring dot com slash engine3 dot htm you'll get there or do a search for "the rest of the story Lycoming" and look for the mindspring url.

THIS WILL BE AN EYEOPENER.

You can't post a link till you have been here a while. Spammers log on and and post links to all kinds of stuff they are selling.

I read that site years ago when I had an issue with valve guide weat on an O-360. That is not a common issue. Treat the engine correctly and it will serve you well. It is an air cooled engine made of steel and aluminum that expands and contracts at different rates. I have seen people taxi to the end of the runway on a cold morning and pour the coals to it and go. The Lycoming O-320 and O-360 engines are very dependable engines. You can find anything on the internet. I would suggest getting the Sacramento Skyranch Manual which was written by someone who rebuilt engines and study thefailures and their causes. Way more information than you ever need as an operator but sounds like you would find it very interesting.

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King Brown

Registered User

Nova Scotia
  • Sep 24, 2017
  • #21

It may be my imagination, and the company makes no claims for added horsepower, but I swear there's better performance from my 0360 Bushmaster since switching to Vetterman set-up.

NimpoCub

Registered User

Nimpo Lake, BC . . . AKA "the Floatplane Capital o
  • Sep 24, 2017
  • #22

I put the Vetterman X-over exhaust on my "Bart massaged" 0320 & picked up 150+ RPM. No heat issues.
Now it will spin 2900, Bart said that's OK but not for long.

algonquin

MEMBER

Seldovia,Ak
  • Sep 24, 2017
  • #23

Lycoming has new cam followers they call,diamond coat. They claim that the follower is hard enough to keep the cam clean and rust free, with in reason. I paid about $1800 for a complete follower and lifter set a few months ago. Call Lycon and ask about them. The manual calls for the exhaust valves to be changesd on overhaul I believe also. Review the overhaul manual and do what your comfortable with. Then look into the electronic ignition system that are out. Tuned exhaust is the next thing and maybe wrapping the headers with ceramic tapes. Other than the H model the 320 is a great engine and I wouldn't change too much.
Side note : the 360 is about 10 lbs heavier and the overhaul is about the same cost, unless you have a odd ball model like in my Husky, then the cam and crank are a little different and way spendy. Then you hope those two things are repairable. AEA in Dallas area will grind and treat a cam for you, good as new. Hope this is of help, Tom

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Bulawa

Registered User

Alaska
  • Oct 23, 2017
  • #24

The engine shop I work at we only use lycoming new lifters. It has never been a cam problem it's been a lifter pitting causing cam to fail. Re grind cams are just fine I personally like the 70697 cam best grind out there. Being experimental I would do this I have dynoed a couple o-320 with this set up and we have gotten 180hp . 70697 cam, 10-1 pistons, advanced crank gear mod, port and polish cylinders. Balancing all internal parts helps even more. As for problems I have seen with cylinders are not letting the temps come up before getting after it, shock cooling and not leaning enough causing carbon build up or leaning to much

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